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#1 User is offline   Shadow 

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 08:36 PM

Getting back into seedlings after a few years vacation. They really can be alot of work & hate it when they just don't make it.

I feel blessed to still have my first unknown seed that germinated. I rememb er it still to this day as a very small dark seeds that sprouted in 3 days hence I call it mini as it now approaches 5 feet.

Thanks the Lord as somehow he answered my prayer & took the shadows off my plumie patch.


:P Been working real hard tryiong to make a spot for ogver 100 seedlings. Feels good to be able to grow more of these angels.
Phet Pachara 5
Defel 2
VCR 1
Muang Sengyam #10
J23
Star Ruby 4
Muang Daeng 6

Jan 2011
Sangwan Tabtim aka J115
Elsie
Defel 2
Ellen #15 2
Jacks Purple 2
My Valentine 4/2
Siam Lavender 3
Mardi Gras 2
MH Eggenberger
Coral Crm 2
Star Dust 2
Choc Delite 4
VC Rose 2
Brittney

stenophylla
alba 1
sericifolia 2
Rimfire 2
obtusa unknown 2
#4646 2
Unnamed Dwarf Pink 2/
DSP 6
Muang Sengyam 2
Muang Daeng

As well as close to 3 dozen larger seedlings

May 2011 UPdate
Added to my seedling collections
Seedlings from

Penang Peach 10
Defel 12
Elsie 10
Tropical Aurora 6
Black Tiger 3
Heart of Gold
Morning Star
Royal Orb-
J4
Phet Chompoo
Unconditional Love Red\
Silk Road Spice
Sweet Lyndi
Sweetheart
Kona Sunset
Kimi Moragne
Thortons Lemon Drop
Ammarons curly white
Maung Lucite
Lava Flow
Sweetheart

September 2011
Phet Pachara 8
J115 8
Purple Moon 7
Khao Jak Dao 9
Singapore White

& probably forgot a few

Hope they prosper & in a few years show there colors.

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 09:33 PM

Guess I should already know the answer
but I have

Dwarf Singapore Pink
White Sing
Penang
J105
Duang Suree plus my own dwarf of Singapore

It wou;d be nice to grow these to trees in that spot but what to do if the weather gets bad.
Guess I could dig em up in December
but I know what these look like & it would be better to grow out some seedlings

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 03:21 AM

Many people in moderate areas plunge the pots into the grounds in spring and then it is pretty easy to lift them out in the fall.
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Posted 29 April 2011 - 03:32 AM

you need to look at pictures of Bobjungles 50 by 70 foot (with house trailer) yard and his seven or eight trillion plumeria. :)
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Posted 29 April 2011 - 09:46 AM

View PostDutchlady, on 29 April 2011 - 03:21 AM, said:

Many people in moderate areas plunge the pots into the grounds in spring and then it is pretty easy to lift them out in the fall.


Do you mean plunge with the bottom removed? Plunging an entire pot would seem like alot of work & waste of a pot.
Just spent $100 yesterday for containers for 30 plants.

I can dig them up in fall I guess

Thinking best use of the ground would be to try to get my older seedlings to inflo.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 09:51 AM

Plunge the entire pot. It helps to retain moisture and keep the plant more stable, not so likely to get blown over.
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Posted 29 April 2011 - 12:49 PM

Here on the TX coast I used to always plant straight in ground but, since the back to back freeze winters (not to mention hurricane Ike, I've started plunging pots. I don't get as good growth as palnting but it's a lot better than in free standing pots. Big plus is the plants stress than bare root storage if I have to pull them. I have several I pulled last year that are going gang busters, while my best Duke (bare root storage) is just now waking up. Great compromise.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 01:31 PM

I'm above you in Burnet, FJ. I used to plunge the pots, but they do so much better bare rooted. I've put a hundred in the ground here that were bare rooted over the winter, and almost all of them have inflos. (your mileage may vary). :)

But its been REALLY hot here this year for this early. And doofus just said on the tv we are going to have an above average number of US hurricane strikes, although fewer storms.
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Posted 29 April 2011 - 06:15 PM

I also have plunged the whole pot in the ground when I had fewer plumerias. The effort that is required to dig them up in the fall is made up by less watering being reqired and no broken limbs from plants being blown over in strong winds as we sometimes get with thunder showers and fronts passing through.

One thing I have done that works well is to cut bigger drain holes in the pot to allow the roots to spread out of the pot to similate then being planted bare root. When I dig them up for the winter I cut off all the roots growing outside of the put and lift the pot out of the ground. That leaves me with enough of an established root stystem to start them off the next year.

Either way, in my opinion, plunging them in the ground creates a better growing enviroment that growing them above ground in pots.
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Posted 29 April 2011 - 07:42 PM

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I can't disagree, they do much better in the ground. Hoping I never have to dig 'em up again. Here, as opposed to the hill country, humidity may make a difference, or maybe it's my ability, but I fight tip rot (even using copper fungicide) when I have had to bare root over winter. Even on plants that don't have TR issues, they start slower for me and seem to bloom less the next year than plants I plunge. I have plants I bare rooted last winter that are just starting to leaf but that have inflos. Those I plunged and dug up show good foliage as well as inflos. Freeze of 2009 I actually lost plants because I couldn't keep up with the TR. Haven't seen that with plunged plants. All IMHO, I continue to learn what works for me and what doesn't (and some have been expensive lessons over the last 15 yrs).

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 08:42 PM

Lots to think about but not so much wind.

That Somoan seedling in ground really out grew the rest but the seedling from Barry Tex Tri next to it is no bigger than the 5 gals
but to be fair the samoan is in more sun.

Guess I'll shoot for getting inflos from my unknowns.

Here's my efforts so far...scoped out a nice lil plumie patch

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/8438/newgarden04292011.jpg

Area with possible plunge otr least pots.

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http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/3467/egardenposs10x20.jpg

So I really have been blessed to have a garden in an apt..

I am very thankful for my garden ius my salvation
6 or more hours of diggin & wrestling crabgrass
Who need the gym

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Praise the Lord
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Posted 30 April 2011 - 05:35 AM

I would QUICKLY get rid of all that worthless grass (we have spinach growing between the plumeria). All this talk about plunging/barerooting; I have a Hilo Beauty that lost a seedpod during the winter; it is my only plumeria that hasn't sprung to life. One inflo popping, but no "real" leaves yet. Guess it didn't like bare rooting.....
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Posted 30 April 2011 - 08:32 AM

Its not private land & that area is close to the entrance so it can't be a permanent garden but it could be used to sit containers.
The ground is hard & full of crabgrass.

I'm thinking black tarp over the grass held in place by stepping stones so as to limit access from the soil critters

Right now that area is crawling w ants & don't want them in the pots as I could take them upstairs..
Also black widows love the surrounding area.

Still its there & just have to hope the dog & neighbors kids don't damage any of my babies.

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Posted 30 April 2011 - 11:22 AM

Does plunging making them grow better and bloom better what's your opinion
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Posted 30 April 2011 - 09:59 PM

Seeing stars
Holy Cow
8 hours straight
Stabilized 100 seedlings
Phew now I can relax for a month.

Looks like I will plant bareroot in ground my big unbloomed seedlings hoping to coax inflos.

I had a few nub which have small branches...not good bets for a inflo this season?

What about a nub that now has three 9 in branches?

I have 11 unbloomed prospects 6 plus yo
Tine to show your colors
Can I squeeze them in ground?
Maybe ideally 8 in a 9 X 4 area & 3 in another 1 1/2 by 10 area?

Heres some of the new gang hanging out after the marathon pot yesterday. Some are out back with the big kids.

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The circled ones are duplicate 4 yo Polynesian sunsets that will be needing new homes soon,.
Nice fat close to 12 in compact seedlings

Had to evict a wasps nest again when mommy was out.
She keeps coming back & finding more places to nest.

How can I persuade her this is not a good place?
Just don't want to share the balony with it as its the yellow & black stripe & maybe be a hornet

ugh

Anyway babies are stabile & good for a month so now I can work on my big uns

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Well bitten by the plumie bug again
Still its a nice addiction..

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