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#1 User is offline   malestrom 

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 10:42 AM

Last night I spent 40 minutes cross pollinating Keulinani and pink Pansy.
Pink Pansy is supposed to be the most productive pod producer.
I couldnt resist the opening of 2 fresh flowers on these 2 so lets see what happens.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/2011/DSC00048.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/My%20Plumies/2011/DSC00049.jpg
Thought id share the fun
I also crossed 3 Adeniums
Stargazer from Buried treasure Link to Burried Treasures http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/Adeniums/DSC00043.jpg
Harry potter from Brads buds and blooms and Prominent also from Brad Link to BradsBudsandBlooms
Harry Potter http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/Adeniums/DSC00019.jpg
Prominent http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/Adeniums/DSC00030.jpg
Enjoy!!!
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Posted 07 August 2011 - 11:06 AM

I almost forgot to post the tools I fashioned to do the pollen transfer
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/Malestrom22/Adeniums/DSC00025.jpg
These are toothpick devices i cut with scissors.
the idea being to not have to open the flower but im able to pierce the lower section and get pollen quite easily.
Proofs in the puddin, we shall see.
I have successfully pollinated adeniums many times.
Im really hoping for the plumie.
Id like to cross my dwarf orange with som-raya or quandamooka.
Always something new floating about in my head. :P
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Posted 07 August 2011 - 11:48 AM

Tried it yesterday with Marmalade
Hope I got some Sing white & my Ms Red pollen to pollinate it.

I can see piercing the flower to get the pollen but if you try to pollinate it that way wouldn't you chance some of the prents pollen down too?
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Posted 07 August 2011 - 12:13 PM

I dont know, believe it or not this is one area ive not studied yet.
Its time to get good at this now.
I awoke to my Pink Pansy flowers on the ground.
Either this is part of it taking or I was too rough.
we shall see, I still have 5 more blooms to open on her, I can try another method.
Perhaps ill try the Sonia method if she would so graciously post it or a link to it ;)
Im going to make some incredible hybrids (eventually)
Oh BTW, I received a package of DSP seeds and they all look viable.
Time to get hydroponic on them WOHOO!!

Has anyone tried to save pollen from a plumie yet?
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Posted 07 August 2011 - 04:18 PM

One of mine fell off too & it had a lil sap.
Curiously it was missing that small tiny protrusion that I see after a flower falls off.
So maybe when they seperate they have pollinated.

That would be my Ms Red Rainbow

I have a polliinating kit that was won from Hetty & then given to me.

It has various size syringes & screw on tubes inserted into the flower.

I did make one attempt at collecting pollen & trasnfering it knowing I would also be transfering the parent pollen by blowing air down the flower.
Not one took but the flowers did fall off too.

Pollen is only good about 3 days
The best time to try is day 2 & 3

Brad says his mites pollinate his trees.

Good luck w the DSP seeds

My first batch of DSP seeds from Brad produced 5 seedlings
I just potted them up today.

2nd batch also from Brad bought a month later all rotted

strange but maybe they only stay fresh for a few months

It seemed that 2 0r 3 month was not good or more possible they were from different seedpods.

Anyway I have 5 nice DSP seedlings all seem to be dwarf & have shiny regular leaves & have alot of color pinks & reds on the stems

Wish you luck with your efforts
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Posted 07 August 2011 - 06:15 PM

Thanks Shadow,
Ill keep trying till I get it. I dont quit easily.
8 years ago I couldnt graft to save my life.
Today I can graft almost anything. I even did a vertical graft hehe. :P
In time ill be a pollinating monster.
Ill create new hybrids and sell off the seedlings and gift them and make the world a better place... hmmm reminds me of a song.
Id like to to give the world a coke (plumie) and teach it harmony.
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Posted 07 August 2011 - 08:01 PM

I can see why its so hard to introduce pollen down the flowers tube.
Its covered inside with many hairs that cross & catch & would make it very hard to introduce pollen w a piece of hay or broom bristle.

I see why not even my syringe was successful

You have to get deep enough past those hairs but not too deep to injure the plant.

The pollen sits above & there isn't much & it doesn't seem to want to release by air.
Its sticky & really does need a very specific pollinator.

I tried to make a window just above where the flower joins the base but right at the connection is the lil thing that needs to be pollinated

I still think mixing the pollen or gathering it with honey is a good idea
that will form a barrier.

It can be done

I maked those 2 flowers w a piece of tape
watching that green thing
hope it starts to grow

2nd flower came off & the lil protrusion stayed in the flower.

Yep with determination & research we'll get it.

MHE is a great seed setter too.

I'm trying w Marmalade as I like the changing ywllow flower that is sort of a Penang seedling.
Still Penang is not a good seed mommy so that might not be a good idea.

Maybe thats why because of all the hairs in the tunnel on Marmalade

Hmmm

Have to check the other flowers

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 10:20 PM

I've tried my hand at pollinating a few times, but the flowers just fall off after - and no seedpod to show for it. Not sure what I'm doing wrong...?
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 02:45 PM

My attempt was unsuccessful
donor pollen has to be right age

Oh well, wonder is plumeria pollen goes sterile over 90 degrees as in the case of tomatoes?

Maybe its best to pick the flower in the morning & pollinate laste day

hmmmm
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 06:17 PM

If I remember correctly, I read somewhere there is only a 3 percent chance that a cross polination will take.

I also remember reading an article in the Plumeria Society newsletter from a grower in Australia who said that the plumerias in the drier, dessert part of Australia set seed more easily than in the parts with more moisture. That would lead me to believe that you would have a better chance in drier conditions.

Something that I have tried last year and I was able to get two pods on my Penang Peach. I didn't mark them so I don't know if it was the cross polination or they were pollinated by nature. However, I do know that I have had the plant six years and last year was the first year I got seed pods.

The methad I used was to cut the flower completely slightly above where it would break off naturally. Next I took very pointed tweezers and pulled the anthers out that contain the pollen. There are six of them. With practice you will be able to judge where to cut and you will see the anthers. Then I did the same thing with the flower I wanted to cross and then pushed the anthers upside down in their opposit flower.

I hope this makes sense.
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Posted 16 August 2011 - 09:10 PM

It makes sense that in higher humidity the pollen clumps & sticks together & under drier conditions its more powdery & hence more easily deposited.

Haven't had a seed pod yet so maybe its time to play matchmaker again

I'm about 80 percent sure my Gardenia Glory seedlings from PF seeds are cross pollinated w penang.
You can see it in the eye & also ir reaction to heat.
Paula told me way back in 05 that there was a chance it was pollinated w penang or mango blush or was it magic
I'll have to find my notes but it also has penang leaves!!!!.

:o

My 2nd GG seedling has an inflo w about 1 good bud
LOL

Still I wait with anticipation
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Posted 18 August 2011 - 01:11 PM

Michael, I have to say this" Mardis Gras and Mary Helen Eggenberger are the most prolific seed producers I have yet seen. Pink Pansy does it's share, but the other two are ridiculous here in my little nursery. I end up with so many pods it is crazy! Either one of these would be an excellent one to tinker with as far as cross pollination.
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Posted 19 August 2011 - 09:24 AM

Brad, I have a 4 yo MHE seedling from your MHE seeds & a few from this years seeds.

Still have some MHE seeds left from 2007 & tried a few & got a seedling so the seeds age well too.

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 07:42 PM

Malestrom..I wish you lived closer..I could have you come over here and cross some of my plants..wish you great sucess on all your crosses..I hear you about not being able to graft..I was the same way.. :D
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 10:17 PM

I think you should post a video for us... I would love to learn how to pollinate the plumies with each other!
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